Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 22:22:56 -0400
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On 08/03/2018 06:55 PM, Lyberta wrote:
> So I'm reading p0224r2 again and found this line:
>
> using text_view = basic_text_view<execution_character_encoding,
> /* implementation-defined */ >;
>
> Is it really needed? C++17 added class template argument deduction and
> we can use deduction guides to properly instantiate what is now a
> basic_text_view. There are make_text_view helpers but I think they are
> not needed for most use cases. Consider:
>
> std::text_view tv{u8"Hello"};
>
> This should be what people write in their code, that would deduce UTF-8
> view assuming char8_t is in the standard and we use C++17 CTAD.
Replacing the make_text_view() factory functions with C++17 CTAD has
been on my todo list for a long time; yet another thing I just haven't
gotten to yet. I created a github issue to track it:
- https://github.com/tahonermann/text_view/issues/34
I think the type aliases are useful for non-deduced contexts. For
example, when declaring function parameters.
>
> More importantly, text_view having execution_character_encoding makes
> this encoding have more weight to it, especially for beginners. We all
> know that in practice working with execution character set is basically
> a nightmare, we shouldn't put in on a forefront of text processing.
I don't think it is feasible to avoid the execution character encoding
given that it is the encoding used for I/O. Eventually, we may be able
to add I/O interfaces that implicitly transcode at program boundaries,
but we don't have that yet. I think beginners should be able to write
hello world without having to (explicitly) deal with transcoding. For
many applications, the execution character encoding is the right
encoding to target.
Tom.
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On 08/03/2018 06:55 PM, Lyberta wrote:
> So I'm reading p0224r2 again and found this line:
>
> using text_view = basic_text_view<execution_character_encoding,
> /* implementation-defined */ >;
>
> Is it really needed? C++17 added class template argument deduction and
> we can use deduction guides to properly instantiate what is now a
> basic_text_view. There are make_text_view helpers but I think they are
> not needed for most use cases. Consider:
>
> std::text_view tv{u8"Hello"};
>
> This should be what people write in their code, that would deduce UTF-8
> view assuming char8_t is in the standard and we use C++17 CTAD.
Replacing the make_text_view() factory functions with C++17 CTAD has
been on my todo list for a long time; yet another thing I just haven't
gotten to yet. I created a github issue to track it:
- https://github.com/tahonermann/text_view/issues/34
I think the type aliases are useful for non-deduced contexts. For
example, when declaring function parameters.
>
> More importantly, text_view having execution_character_encoding makes
> this encoding have more weight to it, especially for beginners. We all
> know that in practice working with execution character set is basically
> a nightmare, we shouldn't put in on a forefront of text processing.
I don't think it is feasible to avoid the execution character encoding
given that it is the encoding used for I/O. Eventually, we may be able
to add I/O interfaces that implicitly transcode at program boundaries,
but we don't have that yet. I think beginners should be able to write
hello world without having to (explicitly) deal with transcoding. For
many applications, the execution character encoding is the right
encoding to target.
Tom.
Received on 2018-08-04 04:31:48