On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 10:18, Jonathan Wakely <cxx@kayari.org> wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 10:15, Ville Voutilainen <ville.voutilainen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 12:13, Jonathan Wakely via SG10
<sg10@lists.isocpp.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 20:54, Barry Revzin via Liaison <liaison@lists.isocpp.org> wrote:
>> Eric Niebler actually asked this on StackOverflow a few years ago: https://stackoverflow.com/q/48045470/2069064
>> The accepted answer there is:
>> #define PP_THIRD_ARG(a,b,c,...) c
>> #define VA_OPT_SUPPORTED_I(...) PP_THIRD_ARG(__VA_OPT__(,),true,false,)
> Who is going to remember that without having to look it up though?

Is it going to be written so often that that becomes a major problem?

> The #ifdef __VA_OPT__ solution was my first thought, it's unfortunate we forbid it. If we can't have that then I think we do need a feature test macro. The voodoo above will make most developers wish they were using Rust.

If they're using VA_OPT, the cause is already lost.

And even if we add a feature test macro now (or allow #ifdef __VA_OPT__) there are still compilers that will reject it with an error (e.g. with -pedantic-errors in pre-C++20 modes). So maybe the ship has sailed and support this feature is already "untestable". You just have to know if your code can use it or not.

Actually that would be true for the #ifdef __VA_OPT__ solution (we could say it's allowed, but if you try to use it on today's shipping compilers, it's ill-formed) but if we add a new macro you can be conservative:

#ifdef __cpp_va_opt
// Use it.
// Maybe it's actually available, but we can't be sure.
// Assume it isn't.

So the question is whether to spell it __STDC_VA_OPT for WG14 compat, or __cpp_va_opt.